MisterGreen wants to crowdsource a Tesla Model 3 reservations crush

One Tesla Motors-oriented publication says the electric-vehicle maker is going to rack up 100,000 reservations for its lower-cost Model 3 within the first 24 hours of the car's availability. And one Netherlands-based car-leasing company is already plotting to secure a decent-sized chunk of those. To say demand is high is a drastic understatement.

Netherlands-based MisterGreen is working with energy company NLE on a plan to immediately secure reservations for 1,000 of the new electric vehicle, according to Electrek. The company, which already leases Model S vehicles to customers from the Netherlands and Belgium and will soon add the Model X, is trying to enlist interested customers to pay the 1,000-euro ($1,112) deposit. MisterGreen will then buy the cars back from those customers en masse (for about a $1.1 million hit), then lease them back to those people for 685 euros a month. The information on MisterGreen's buyout program is here, but it's in Dutch.

The idea is to ensure that the Netherlands gets moved to the front of the line when it comes to Model 3 deliveries to Europe. The car, which will be priced at about $35,000 and has a single-charge range of about 200 miles, is expected to start European deliveries in 2018.

The MisterGreen crowd is going to have its hands full. Teslarati says there will be an absolute crush once Tesla starts taking reservations on March 31, estimating that 100,000 may be on the books by April Fools' Day. Tesla's in-store reservations start on the 31st at 10 a.m. Pacific time. Online reservations commence at 8:30 p.m. that night, the same time the car will be unveiled at its Hawthorne, California, facility near Los Angeles in front of an invite-only audience of about 800 people.

Forget Ramping Up -- Can Tesla Motors Ramp Down?

With all eyes being on whether or not Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) can successfully ramp up production to 500,000 vehicles per year by 2020, It might be a little premature to talk about ramping down. But it's an important consideration and potential risk factor for long-term investors to think about, even if there are no immediate implications.

Tesla's immediate goal is to significantly ramp up volumes in the years ahead. This is far easier said than done, and whether or not Tesla will be able to execute on that growth is an open debate and precisely why it's such a battleground stock. In no uncertain terms, Tesla's premium valuation depends on Model 3's success.

The downside of ramping upLet's say that Tesla is able to execute on that growth. That would actually become a double-edged sword in some ways. The auto business is characterized not only by extreme levels of capital intensity associated with scaling production, but also very high levels of fixed costs associated with operating overhead. This is why operating breakeven levels are so important, since if units dip beneath certain volume thresholds, companies begin hemorrhaging cash -- fast.

General Motors estimates that its global breakeven point is 4.5 million wholesale vehicle sales, not including sales made through its joint ventures in China. Ford (NYSE:F) CFO Bob Shanks recently said the company could break even if U.S. auto sales dropped to 11 million. That would be a significant pullback from the 17.5 million total vehicles sold last year in the U.S. Ford could cut costs by $3 billion if needed as it adjusted production levels, of which $1 billion would come from manufacturing operations.

Model 3 could be vulnerable to macro downturnsThis is an area where Tesla has no experience. Throughout its history, Tesla has been in growth mode, spending vast sums of money developing its vehicles while building up the infrastructure necessary to produce and service those vehicles. But if and when it scales its production base to its targeted levels, being able to ramp down is an extremely important skill that's critical to surviving in the auto business for the long term.

If investors fast-forward far enough to a possible future where Tesla is mature and consistently churning out hundreds of thousands of vehicles per year, it could become highly susceptible to industrywide downturns. While the 2008 downturn nearly bankrupted the company, Tesla has enjoyed robust demand for the Model S ever since 2012.

However, the luxury segment that Model S is currently dominating is less vulnerable to macroeconomic fluctuations due to the relatively affluent customer base. But the mainstream Model 3, and the related production goals, will significantly raise Tesla's fixed-cost base while the mainstream customer is very much affected by macroeconomic downturns.

The first cut is the deepestIn other words, Tesla needs to show that it can exercise cost discipline if and when the auto market cools off. Tesla just hired Jason Wheeler as its new CFO, and Wheeler does seem promising when it comes to cost discipline. Here's what he said on the last call:

We're also getting to a point where we have operating leverage in the business. We'll continue to aggressively manage our growth and expenses. Finally, and I walk around and I'm on this every day. It's the relentless focus on automotive unit cost reductions. That's my mandate.

While that cost discipline is in the context of managing growth investments, at least investors know that Wheeler is on the right page. Hopefully, if and when the time comes that Tesla needs to focus on ramping down, Wheeler will be able to make the tough cuts.

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Tesla Is Discontinuing Its 10 Kilowatt Powerwall

Earlier this week, Tesla pulled their listing for the 10 kilowatt Powerwall device, leaving only its 6.4 kwh battery listed for sale. In a statement to GreenTechMedia, the company confirmed that the option has been discontinued. 

The company noted that while the device has been extremely popular, there has been far more demand for the smaller of the two, and that they will be focusing exclusively on the 6.4 kwh model: 

The Daily Powerwall supports daily use applications like solar self-consumption plus backup power applications, and can offer backup simply by modifying the way it is installed in a home. Due to the interest, we have decided to focus entirely on building and deploying the 7-kilowatt-hour Daily Powerwall at this time.

The larger Powerwall was positioned as a longer-term back up power supply, which GTM noted was looking like a hard sell, with other market alternatives that were priced far below the $3500 price tag. 

The remaining 6.4 kwh device has less capacity, and is designed more to shift the load of available power, such as from a solar panel, to times when the production of such energy is lower. 

Toyota: 5 New Vehicles to Buy in 2016 you might find what you have been looking for here

Toyota is working pretty damn hard on upping their lineup, and while the Supra has yet to make its triumphant, turbocharged return, there is no denying that buying a Toyota in 2016 will be far more rewarding than any time in recent memory. Automakers are constantly working on reinventing themselves, and in the case of one of the world’s largest automotive manufacturers, their biggest hurdle is breaking away from a stigma that they only make safe, utterly unenthusiastic machines.

Sure, the return of the Celica All-Trac is a pipe dream, and a well-done modern interpretation of the first–gen MR2 is highly unlikely. But at least they aren’t making a slew of snoozers like they were a few years back; due primarily to the fact that no matter what we think of Toyota’s bland sedans, its truck line is always a blast to thrash, and nowhere is this more apparent than in its latest and greatest offerings.

But what about Toyota’s cars? Are there any fun or interesting offerings that warrant a test drive down the line? In short, yes, there certainly are some intriguing offerings that deserve a quick spin — namely the forthcoming 2016 Prius and the luxurious Land Cruiser.

Enough with the teasing. Here are five fantastic options we think you, the buyer, need to seriously consider in 2016 if it’s time to upgrade that sleigh to a brand new Toyota.

1. Tacoma

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Starting at just $23,300 and completely redesigned both inside and out, the all-new Tacoma is a great option for anyone wanting to upgrade to a dependable truck in the forthcoming year. Rugged, reliable, and resell-able, Toyota’s midsize pickup is about as good as it gets when looking for a vehicle that will outlast the earth itself. When we got to review one a couple months back, we were impressed with the Tacoma’s redesigned interior, upgraded six-inch Entune touchscreen, and more powerful engine, along with how controlled the vehicle felt on the highway for riding so high.

We also liked that the Tacoma’s V6 can still be paired with a manual gearbox, and that a GoPro mount comes standard — because if you are going to roll over, you might as well document the occasion. Speaking of roughing it, the new Tacoma has tons of ground clearance on all four sides, and its suspension travel is more than satisfactory. Couple that with Crawl Control, which allows drivers to set a slow speed and then focus exclusively on the steering, and you’ve got a dedicated off-road machine that is civilized enough to live in town.

2. Tundra

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We got to drive and review the biggest, baddest, toughest version of the Tundra recently, and while it was a fantastic vehicle in almost every way, the Tundra TRD-Pro is not what most people will buy next year when they hit the Toyota dealership looking for a new pickup. So instead of rehashing what I have already covered, let’s look at what makes the other versions of the 2016 Tundra so special.

Stylistically, the Tundra has not changed that much when compared to previous generations. It may have some sharper lines, boxier corners, and more rugged angles, but looking at it head-on you won’t be blown away by differences from its predecessor. Sure, both front grilles on the SR5 and 1794 Edition models have been updated, but save for these two mods, the rest of the lineup remains virtually unchanged aesthetically.

The new Tundra really stands out in the safety and tech departments, offering more than most buyers might expect. Various levels of Entune Audio is now standard in this truck, from base models all the way up to Limited and TRD-Pro versions. JBL Audio, navi, and apps galore are now standard on Platinum and 1794 Editions, as well as Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM) and Rear Cross-Traffic Alert (RCTA) on premium trim levels. Throw Flex-Fuel (FFV) with all 4×2 models, along with a larger fuel tank for top-end models and some front/rear sonar for rock crawling, and you’ve got our undivided attention. Pricing starts at $28,640, but we suggest spending a hair more and getting the extended cab for added space.

3. Land Cruiser

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Part luxury SUV, part utilitarian off-road rescue dog, the Land Cruiser is a vehicle that was once synonymous with Australian Outback exploration but is now labeled as a meager soccer mom machine designed for hauling groceries. However, Toyota is working on reintroducing the Cruiser to its roots with this redesigned model. Outside of its new exterior styling (this thing has brand new sheet metal from the A-pillar forward), there are some really nice features on this SUV that warrant consideration if you are in the market for a bigger car.

Sure, the new tubed rear taillights and back bumper both look great, but it’s what’s on the inside that counts. The car’s interior leather has been upgraded to a semi-aniline perforated material; trim pieces are look classier; there’s a new steering wheel with Siri Eyes Free mode (EFM), a MID display, DRCC and TSS-P settings, which use toggle controls; and an Entune 2.5 multimedia system that rocks Slacker radio.

Meanwhile, a nine-inch hi-res display is now a thing, including Standard Rear Seat Entertainment (RSE) with dual, fixed, 10-inch screens with both DVD and HDMI inputs — picky kids can now watch separate media on either screen. We also like that the Land Cruiser now comes equipped with Qi wireless charging, an eight-speed automatic transmission (instead of the old six), an improved multi-terrain monitor for low-speed off-road use, BSM (Blind Spot Monitoring), and RCTA (Rear Cross Traffic Alerts). Bonus: This is Toyota’s first vehicle with Toyota Safety Sense-P (TSS-P).

This last feature includes a Pre-Collision System with Pedestrian Detection, Lane Departure Alerts, Auto High Beams, Dynamic Radar Cruise Control, and frontal collision avoidance when driving below 24 miles per hour. Couple that with some fresh 18-inch alloy wheels and a 5.7-liter V8 out of the Tundra, and you’ve got one amazing machine on your hands. Just be forewarned, these puppies start around $83,825, which ain’t cheap.

4. Prius

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While a hybrid isn’t everyone’s style, the latest breed of Prius is really working on making itself more of an appealing option for younger buyers who want something sporty. We were there for the latest generation’s unveiling in Vegas, and this is going to be the best one yet. Sure, the styling cues are a love-it-or-hate-it deal, but there is so much on this version that is good it’s hard to write it off as “just another hybrid.”

The latest incarnation of Toyota’s champion fuel sipper gets a “[10%] improvement in EPA estimated MPG on core models,” and while this bump is great to see, it’s Toyota’s investments in the performance department that has piqued our interests. Sporting more power, double wishbone rear suspension, and a wider stance, the next generation of Prius may just be the best handling hybrid of all time with the right kind of rubber. While pricing and testing results have yet to be released, stay tuned for our full review of this iconic automobile next month, when we get to take it for a spin in the hopes of seeing what makes it so great.

5. Mirai

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This last option is probably the most unusual on the list today, and while it may only be available in California right now, an increased interest in hydrogen-powered fueling stations has given millions of Americans hope that one day they too shall have the chance to own one of these clever cars.

When we first reported on the Mirai back in the spring, it seemed like a distant dream. But now it’s October, and these futuristic, oddly-shaped machines are already sold out in California. With the waitlist growing longer every day, we cannot wait to see people’s reactions to this vehicle. To learn more, check out Toyota’s info page, because with technology this advanced, you are probably better off watching a video than reading about it.

Look at This new tiny electric from Nissan, which could be the future of urban transportation.

The future of transportation is a tough thing to peg down. It could involve Hyperloops, or self-driving cars, or some strange mix of both. Two years ago, Nissan started up an experimental wing called "Future Lab" to address this shifting landscape. And the first project is the Nissan New Mobility Concept — a squat, four-wheel electric vehicle that Nissan has taken from Renault and modified for the United States.

Aside from different plugs, and a slower top speed of 25 miles per hour, it's essentially the same thing as the original Renault Twizy. The doors swing open like they would on a Lamborghini, which is cool, but the rest of the vehicle is rather spartan. It has a tiny screen that shows you the battery level, range (up to 40 miles), and speed — but there's no smartphone connectivity. One of the models comes with a rear seat, but good luck comfortably fitting a full-grown adult back there for more than a few miles. And there are no side windows, so you're probably going to want to avoid driving one in anything other than the best weather.

Nissan brought a few of the New Mobility Concepts to Manhattan for the New York International Auto Show, and I got to drive one on a quick tour of Midtown. It's nowhere near as fun as some of the other electric vehicles I've tried, like the Arcimoto SRK trike, or even an electric longboard. And sure, it doesn't do well over bumps and potholes, the open-air design is sure to turn off a number of people, and I had to make myself forget what might happen if I got sideswiped by a bus. But it was otherwise a relatively enjoyable way to maneuver around the traffic that plagues 7th and 8th Avenues.

As someone who commutes more than an hour total every day, I'm constantly thinking about better ways I could get around this city. Uber and Lyft are popular options here, but so are CitiBike, ZipCar, and Car2Go. Something like the Nissan New Mobility Concept might someday have a home here, and by the time I parked it back in front of Madison Square Garden I found myself wishing that were the case.

What exactly Nissan will get out of the New Mobility Concept is hard to say because it's still a young project. Josh Westerhold, Future Lab's senior manager, tells The Verge that right now the team is focused on asking a lot of questions.

In fact, Westerhold rattled off a handful in a matter of seconds: "Is this a real trend? What would make a better product [for Nissan], if we need a better product? Is there interest? What are the demographic breakdowns? How do younger people use it, how do older people use it? How do females use it? How do males use it? How do those that are mobility challenged use it?"

“"WHAT WOULD THE PRODUCT AND THE BUSINESS MODEL HAVE TO LOOK LIKE?"

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But the most important questions, at least concerning Nissan's involvement, are the last two Westerhold poses: what would the product and the business model have to look like?

Nissan is already searching for the answer to these last two. The company is six months into an exploratory program in San Francisco with the New Mobility Concept car. Future Lab partnered up with Scoot Networks, a sharing service akin to ZipCar or CitiBike that lets people rent electric scooters all around San Francisco. Nissan gave Scoot 10 of the little electric cars (branded as Scoot Quads in the city), and both sides are still trying to tease out answers to the rest of those bigger, broader questions.

Westerhold describes the contract between Nissan and Scoot as "semi-indefinite," and that it's still too early to say what the next step for the program will be. Nissan could give 100 more cars to Scoot just as easily as it could wrap up pilot program and move onto something else. (For what it's worth, Westerhold says it hasn't been easy — or cheap — for Nissan to import and convert the dozen or so vehicles that are here.)

For now, the two sides are happy to continue benefiting from the hands-on research and feedback that the program provides. That also means it's not going to be sold here any time soon, so if the idea strikes you, you're going to have to move to Europe and lay down €6,000 or so.

The New Mobility Concept is just one take on what urban transportation will look like in the future. It's not the fastest or the sexiest, but after taking a spin in one it's easy to see how it could play a part in the miniaturization, electrification, and personalization of our future cities.

Toyota Will Put Automatic Braking in Almost All Cars by 2017 amazing

Studies show auto-braking helps stop collisions.

By the end of 2017, almost every vehicle for sale from Toyota and Lexus will be equipped with automatic emergency braking.

The Japanese auto manufacturer said that 25 out of 30 Lexus and Toyota models will come with its proprietary safety systems as a standard feature, both using radars, laser beams, and cameras to prevent collisions at different vehicle speeds.

“High-level driver assist technologies can do more than help protect people in the event of a crash; they can help prevent some crashes from ever happening in the first place,” Jim Lentz, CEO of Toyota Motor North America, said in a press statement released on Monday.

Toyota’s  TM 1.36%  timeline would be five years ahead of the agreed industry-wide deadline of 2022, when 20 automakers will make automatic braking a standard feature on all new cars. The 2022 benchmark was announced last week by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.

 

In recent years, studies have shown that automatic braking significantly reduces road accidents. In one study released in January, it was estimated that automatic braking could cut rear-end crashes by 40%. Another study said that the technology could reduce insurance injury claims by as much as 35%.

In 2009, Toyota said it would roll out a “brake override system” after the company had to recall four million vehicles over issues with unintended acceleration in its cars. In a subsequent court case, it was found that Toyota didn’t want to call the system a “safe stop” to avoid promising more than the software could deliver in the area of driver safety.

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Full 2016 Lexus CT 200h Review

What's New for 2016

Largely unchanged, the 2016 CT 200h gets a chrome grille surround and an optional sunroof.

Introduction

By dint of parent company Toyota's leadership in hybrid vehicles, Lexus has long dominated the luxury hybrid market, a small but important niche that others have only recently discovered. Although rival automakers are starting to put up a fight, the 2016 Lexus CT 200h still stands alone as a compact luxury hatchback with a conventional gasoline-electric hybrid powertrain.

The CT 200h has been around for a while now, but its combination of inspired styling and upscale amenities remains appealing in the hybrid arena. Also, the CT's utilitarian four-door hatchback body style can accommodate a wider variety of cargo than your average sedan. Of course, what really sets the 2016 CT 200h apart from most luxury vehicles is its impressive EPA fuel economy rating of 42 mpg combined. 

The CT 200h backs up its athletic looks with crisp-feeling handling that's a pleasant surprise in a hybrid. Unfortunately, that whiff of sportiness writes checks that the CT 200h's powertrain can't cash. With just 134 total horsepower available, this Lexus is sorely lacking in the performance department. Also, while folding down the CT's rear seatbacks creates a flexible cargo hold with a good deal of space, the interior is still much tighter than that of the Lexus NX 300h compact crossover, for example.

A new rival to the CT 200h debuts this year in the form of the Audi A3 Sportback e-tron hatchback, which is technically a plug-in hybrid (with 17 miles of electric-only range) that also offers up to 39 mpg combined in conventional hybrid mode. Within the Toyota family, the aforementioned Lexus NX hybrid is joined for 2016 by a pair of more affordable alternatives — the radically redesigned Toyota Prius, which may be an acquired taste, and the Toyota RAV4 Hybrid, which can't match the CT's fuel economy but boasts superior cargo capacity. Although considerably more expensive than the Lexus, the 2016 BMW 328d Wagon is a much more satisfying vehicle to drive and still provides very good fuel economy thanks to its diesel-fueled engine. Overall, the 2016 Lexus CT 200h is likable enough, but only by taking a test-drive will you know whether you can live with its humble performance.

Body Styles, Trim Levels, and Options

The 2016 Lexus CT 200h combines a hybrid powertrain with a compact, four-door hatchback layout that seats five passengers. It's offered in a single trim level.

Standard equipment includes 17-inch alloy wheels, automatic headlights, heated mirrors with built-in turn signals and puddle lamps, a sunroof, keyless ignition and entry, dual-zone automatic climate control, leatherette (premium vinyl) upholstery, an eight-way power driver seat (with power lumbar), split-folding rear seatbacks, a tilt-and-telescoping steering wheel, Bluetooth phone and audio connectivity, Siri Eyes Free technology that connects to select smartphones and a six-speaker sound system with a CD player, satellite radio and a USB port.

There are a number of optional packages on the CT 200h, but availability can vary depending on the region in which you live. The Seat Comfort package includes heated front seats and a four-way power front passenger seat. The Premium package adds automatic wipers, an auto-dimming rearview mirror and a 10-speaker audio system with a six-CD changer. A Display Audio package includes the premium 10-speaker sound system and auto-dimming rearview mirror plus a 7-inch display screen, a rearview camera, an additional USB port and the Remote Touch controller.

The Luxury package includes auto-dimming outside mirrors, leather upholstery, heated and ventilated front seats and driver memory settings. The Navigation package features the auto-dimming rearview mirror, rearview camera, 7-inch display and Remote Touch interface plus a navigation system, voice controls, HD radio and Lexus Enform app-based infotainment, Remote and Safety Connect emergency telematics systems. The F Sport package bundles distinctive 17-inch alloy wheels, a sport-tuned suspension, a larger rear spoiler and a host of unique styling tweaks inside and out, including a blacked-out rooftop.

There is also a handful of stand-alone options, including a sunroof, LED (low-beam) headlights, adaptive cruise control with a pre-collision system, front and rear parking sensors and a back-up camera with the display built into the auto-dimming rearview mirror.

Powertrains and Performance

Power for the 2016 Lexus CT 200h Hybrid comes from a 1.8-liter, four-cylinder gasoline engine mated to a pair of electric motor/generators and a nickel-metal hydride battery pack. Total output is 134 hp, which is routed to the front wheels by way of a specialized continuously variable automatic transmission (CVT).

In Edmunds testing, a CT 200h accelerated from zero to 60 mph in a slow 10.5 seconds. Fuel economy is where the CT 200h shines, checking in at an EPA-estimated 42 mpg combined (43 city/40 highway).

Safety

Standard safety features on the 2016 Lexus CT 200h include antilock disc brakes, stability and traction control, active front head restraints (plus front seatbacks that can help reduce injuries from whiplash), front- and rear-seat side airbags, side curtain airbags and dual front knee airbags. Lexus' Safety Connect telematics system is also standard and includes functions like automatic collision notification, stolen-vehicle location and emergency assistance. A rearview camera and front and rear parking sensors are available as options.

The optional adaptive cruise control system includes a pre-collision feature that uses radar sensors to detect an imminent impact and responds by tightening the front seatbelts and initializing brake assist. In Edmunds brake testing, a CT 200h F Sport stopped from 60 mph in an unimpressive 125 feet.

The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety gave the CT 200h its highest rating of "Good" across the board, including the small-overlap frontal offset, moderate-overlap frontal-offset, side-impact and roof strength tests. Its head restraint/seat design also earned a "Good" rating for whiplash protection in rear impacts.

Interior Design and Special Features

Because it is optimized for environmental friendliness, the interior of the 2016 Lexus CT 200h doesn't have quite the same opulent feel of the traditional luxury models on which Lexus has built its reputation. Recycled and sustainably sourced materials replace the usual soft leather and gleaming wood trim whenever practical. Still, the cabin has a premium look that sets it apart from more mainstream hybrids.

For the most part, the CT 200h's gauges and controls are well-placed and intuitive to use. The exception is the Remote Touch control interface that's used to make selections on the large central display (included in the Display Audio and Navigation packages). It functions a lot like the touchpad on a laptop computer and frequently is too sensitive to use on the fly. Ultimately, it's a clever idea that ends up being more frustrating than it's worth.

Up front, the seats are comfortable and well-bolstered for a sporty feel. The backseat also has decent head- and legroom for a couple of adults, although the narrow rear door openings can complicate entry and exit for passengers. Storage for cell phones and other items you'd like to keep close at hand is limited to a pint-size glovebox and door pockets. When it comes time to load up for a weekend away, there's a passable 14.3 cubic feet of cargo room behind the backseat, which grows to 34.8 cubic feet when they are folded down. Both measurements are on the small side compared to similarly sized hatchbacks.